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PostSubject: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:37 am

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-sylvester-stallone-blames-batman.html

I agree as far as Keaton playing Batman. I just can't picture a man that small taking down a whole group of guys in an unarmed fight. There's a reason why there's weight classes in almost every fighting sport.

At the same time, alot of the 80s "one man army" action movies were pretty cheesy. Being all buff and ripped doesn't make gunning down dozens of bad guys at a time any more realistic.

I think its actually more that you can suspend disbelief in a superhero movie more than you can in a 80s style shooter. Plus even though Keaton didn't look like the toughest guy, he could definitely act and so could his costars. You didn't see the most amazing acting in the 80s action movies.




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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:10 pm

I'm pretty sure this was spam because I removed links for ads at the bottom, but I really like the idea of this discussion. I can totally agree, that it changed the action movie altogether. I'm kinda torn though, because I love the old-school and modern action flicks for different reasons. However, if I had to pick Rocky, Rambo, Terminator and Die Hard or the newer stuff, I'd pick the former every time.

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:39 pm

Well as much as I like short prom dresses and punk rock t-shirts (lol!), I agree with Gary.....the older stuff just had a "feel" to it, maybe it's just because I am old....I don't know. That said, I'm not a huge action flick fan....UNLESS you include Sci-fi, etc. in that discussion.

I do like anything that has Bruce Willis or Arnold in it though....
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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Sat Oct 23, 2010 3:28 pm

Jon Q. Citizen wrote:
[i]I do like anything that has Bruce Willis or Arnold in it though....

You wouldn't include Stallone in that? The Rocky and Rambo flicks are some of my favorites.

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Sun Nov 07, 2010 2:09 am

Rocky III and IV, yeah.....Rambo, ehhh. I will mention I liked Stallone as Judge Dredd, but it was more the character.....I would love to see Ray Stevenson (Rome & Punisher War Zone) as Judge Dredd in a re-make though.

Stallone shouldn't feel bad though, I love Bruce Willis (plutonically of course) but I didn't really get into the Die Hard films.
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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Wed Nov 10, 2010 1:28 am

I think it's Batman's adaptability which makes him in a sense better than those action stars/movies. Those action stars are singular in their design and would only exist in a certain context within a certain stereotype. I think given Batman's long history it is safe to say that he can co exist in multiple worlds whether they be cataclysmic, realistic, unrealistic or even campy, etc. So in a sense, the action star (as it were) killed the action star by tripping itself, by not adapting to certain (other) context(s) and by staying in itself by playing whether it is in vietnam, a boxing ring, or an executive building, they stay within the confines of an oft-repeated story and persona. And this is exactly where Batman exceeds Stallone or whomever, he can be that action star, detective, emotionally disturbed, PTSD wrecked, high flying, acrobatic, athletic, dark knight. He is all these things and more and can adapt way better than those action stars of the 80's who weave the same threads as they always have.

And, I was born after Die Hard was made. I thought Die Hard was THE action movie(s) of the 80's? And Dredd played by Stallone wasn't the greatest thing in the world, the question here is: Does Karl Urban have what it takes to play Dredd?
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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Sat Nov 20, 2010 8:11 am

Jon Q. Citizen wrote:
Rocky III and IV, yeah.....Rambo, ehhh.


Oh right, I forgot this was just about the 80's, not Stallone flicks in general. I can see why you'd say that, but I still love 3 and 4. 5 not so much, but then Balboa won me over again.

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Stallone shouldn't feel bad though...

I'm sure he'll pull through haha.

ballpointbanana wrote:
And, I was born after Die Hard was made. I thought Die Hard was THE action movie(s) of the 80's?

It's all subjective, but I wouldn't say so. Definitely up there, but there was also Rambo, Terminator, and several others featuring some of the biggest action stars around.

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And Dredd played by Stallone wasn't the greatest thing in the world, the question here is: Does Karl Urban have what it takes to play Dredd?

Judging by the picture released of him in costume and what I've seen of him acting-wise, I think so!



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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:20 pm

You guys are so awesome!! I was unaware of a NEW Judge Dredd movie! I know that is horrible for a geek to admit, but thanks! Karl Urban will do fine.
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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:11 pm

Haha, no problem. I'm excited to see how it is!

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Thu Nov 25, 2010 4:51 am

Just going on the Dread part of this thread - I'm getting very excited about this movie. I didn't think the Stallone version was all that bad, they did a great job capturing the essence of Mega City One and the Dread universe. Urban looks good a Judge Dread. I read 2000AD which is another great book.

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Thu Nov 25, 2010 3:55 pm

Hey Bob, how is the comic? I've never read it. Also, what do you think about the first part of this thread, that the '89 Batman killed the traditional 70's-80's action star?

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Mon Nov 29, 2010 5:23 am

It's a fantastic read - my only gripe is the stories are always to short, but 2000AD have never messed with their continuity. The Dredd storyline has remained the same 30 years on and they continue to build on the history and lore.

I've never really thought about it, but casting my mind back I can't remember any well known action stars after the first Batman movie... before we had, Indiana Jones, John McLean, Rambo, Dirty Harry and a whole host of other action star series... I'm struggling to recall any others after this?

So yeah maybe he did...

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:19 pm

I mean, I guess you have some. Look at the cast of the expendables; there's Jason Statham and Jet Li (Jet Li of course being a martial arts star, not an "Action Star")...and that's about it. There definitely hasn't been as many, and the ones there are aren't as spectacular.

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Mon Nov 29, 2010 12:57 pm

There hasn't been more than one movie though - apart from Bond who already had a franchise behind him and hasn't done too bad after Batman there isn't any movie or action hero who's continued. Unless its a superhero movie...

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:22 am

Well, there were the recent installments of Rocky, Rambo and Terminator...but that's about it as far as I know.

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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Sat Dec 18, 2010 9:18 pm

Eh. The only reason I can really think of that Batman was a good movie, and from what I've seen, there's never been a good Stallone movie--especially the ones that he did more than drunkly slur his lines through.
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PostSubject: Re: Stallone: Batman killed the action star   Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:51 am

Jay Kay wrote:
...from what I've seen, there's never been a good Stallone movie...

Someone must not have seen many Stallone movies...

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